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	<title>Comments on: Stop feeding the troll</title>
	<link>http://www.gameslol.com/2007/04/26/stop-feeding-the-troll/</link>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Marek</title>
		<link>http://www.gameslol.com/2007/04/26/stop-feeding-the-troll/#comment-247</link>
		<dc:creator>Marek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2007 09:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.gameslol.com/2007/04/26/stop-feeding-the-troll/#comment-247</guid>
		<description>Yeah, I actually had to think of Jack Thompson when I read your op-ed on Shack. I see your point, and I agree with you in the context of the V-Tech piece, but I would still argue that 80% of Jack Thompson related news actually isn't news. I think it only has news value when Thompson does something that actually affects something else, or causes others to respond, or becomes a mainstream issue.

However, Thompson jerking around with someone over a possible debate isn't really news (unless a debate actually happens), nor are the email 'blasts' or open letters that Thompson sends around to the press. A lot of those emails that Thompson sends around are even posted verbatim, and I wonder why. For instance, I don't get why something like "Jack Thompson Attacks Wendy’s Over Wii!!" is worth covering by anyone. Nothing actually happened, Wendy's didn't say anything, no one else made the connection between Wendy's, the Wii and Manhunt... and it was a total non-story, as far as I can tell. It might have been a story if he'd threatened to sue, which he didn't. It was just a man (with very little public credibility) sending a petition letter.

I guess my beef is really with the countless news posts within the gaming community that have a tone along the lines of "lollol look what this nutter just said" but actually aren't worth anyone's time.

(Just to be clear, none of the above is in response to any Shack coverage. I actually don't recall what you guys did or did not cover.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I actually had to think of Jack Thompson when I read your op-ed on Shack. I see your point, and I agree with you in the context of the V-Tech piece, but I would still argue that 80% of Jack Thompson related news actually isn&#8217;t news. I think it only has news value when Thompson does something that actually affects something else, or causes others to respond, or becomes a mainstream issue.</p>
<p>However, Thompson jerking around with someone over a possible debate isn&#8217;t really news (unless a debate actually happens), nor are the email &#8216;blasts&#8217; or open letters that Thompson sends around to the press. A lot of those emails that Thompson sends around are even posted verbatim, and I wonder why. For instance, I don&#8217;t get why something like &#8220;Jack Thompson Attacks Wendy’s Over Wii!!&#8221; is worth covering by anyone. Nothing actually happened, Wendy&#8217;s didn&#8217;t say anything, no one else made the connection between Wendy&#8217;s, the Wii and Manhunt&#8230; and it was a total non-story, as far as I can tell. It might have been a story if he&#8217;d threatened to sue, which he didn&#8217;t. It was just a man (with very little public credibility) sending a petition letter.</p>
<p>I guess my beef is really with the countless news posts within the gaming community that have a tone along the lines of &#8220;lollol look what this nutter just said&#8221; but actually aren&#8217;t worth anyone&#8217;s time.</p>
<p>(Just to be clear, none of the above is in response to any Shack coverage. I actually don&#8217;t recall what you guys did or did not cover.)</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Remo</title>
		<link>http://www.gameslol.com/2007/04/26/stop-feeding-the-troll/#comment-244</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Remo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 22:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.gameslol.com/2007/04/26/stop-feeding-the-troll/#comment-244</guid>
		<description>I fully agree with Jake on this issue.   Coincidentally, here is an editorial I published today on my own site regarding coverage of the V-Tech game.  

http://www.shacknews.com/extras/2007/051807_v-tech_response_1.x

I think my attitude towards Thompson coverage can probably be largely inferred from it, though it is a slightly different situation.  I do not object to straight coverage of Thompson, as long as it is done in a professional, informative, and non-sensational manner.  I believe gamers should be informed about all issues that deal with harming the reputation of the industry.  If the gaming press stops covering him, then it's just CNN and MSNBC, and what good does that do us?  All of the wrong people are hearing his shit, and the informed people are less likely to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fully agree with Jake on this issue.   Coincidentally, here is an editorial I published today on my own site regarding coverage of the V-Tech game.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.shacknews.com/extras/2007/051807_v-tech_response_1.x" rel="nofollow">http://www.shacknews.com/extras/2007/051807_v-tech_response_1.x</a></p>
<p>I think my attitude towards Thompson coverage can probably be largely inferred from it, though it is a slightly different situation.  I do not object to straight coverage of Thompson, as long as it is done in a professional, informative, and non-sensational manner.  I believe gamers should be informed about all issues that deal with harming the reputation of the industry.  If the gaming press stops covering him, then it&#8217;s just CNN and MSNBC, and what good does that do us?  All of the wrong people are hearing his shit, and the informed people are less likely to.</p>
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		<title>By: Kroms</title>
		<link>http://www.gameslol.com/2007/04/26/stop-feeding-the-troll/#comment-209</link>
		<dc:creator>Kroms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 19:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.gameslol.com/2007/04/26/stop-feeding-the-troll/#comment-209</guid>
		<description>Errr...sorry for this. I miswrote something:

&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;I wrote:&lt;/b&gt; the only way to completely shut him up ... &lt;/i&gt;

What I meant to write was:

"And with people universally reacting to him when he talks, I'm getting so desperate to believe that the only way to completely shut him up ... "

Because the "In-your-face" reaction would shame him. But I'm more of a dreamer than a realist when it comes to this sort of thing. Sorry for double-posting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Errr&#8230;sorry for this. I miswrote something:</p>
<p><i><b>I wrote:</b> the only way to completely shut him up &#8230; </i></p>
<p>What I meant to write was:</p>
<p>&#8220;And with people universally reacting to him when he talks, I&#8217;m getting so desperate to believe that the only way to completely shut him up &#8230; &#8221;</p>
<p>Because the &#8220;In-your-face&#8221; reaction would shame him. But I&#8217;m more of a dreamer than a realist when it comes to this sort of thing. Sorry for double-posting.</p>
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		<title>By: Melanie</title>
		<link>http://www.gameslol.com/2007/04/26/stop-feeding-the-troll/#comment-187</link>
		<dc:creator>Melanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 18:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.gameslol.com/2007/04/26/stop-feeding-the-troll/#comment-187</guid>
		<description>Off topic:

The first thing that came to mind when I saw the picture of the troll was this book:

http://www.amazon.com/Gnomes-Wil-Huygen/dp/0810909650

I loved that book as a kid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off topic:</p>
<p>The first thing that came to mind when I saw the picture of the troll was this book:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Gnomes-Wil-Huygen/dp/0810909650" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Gnomes-Wil-Huygen/dp/0810909650</a></p>
<p>I loved that book as a kid.</p>
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		<title>By: Erwin</title>
		<link>http://www.gameslol.com/2007/04/26/stop-feeding-the-troll/#comment-184</link>
		<dc:creator>Erwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 12:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.gameslol.com/2007/04/26/stop-feeding-the-troll/#comment-184</guid>
		<description>No matter *what* you do, there'll always be Jack Thompsons around who'll hold anything or anyone, but themselves, responsible for the mistakes that happen. It's oh so much easier to point a finger and say "That did it" instead of trying to understand what's really going on. Ignore him, battle him; I don't think it makes much of a difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No matter *what* you do, there&#8217;ll always be Jack Thompsons around who&#8217;ll hold anything or anyone, but themselves, responsible for the mistakes that happen. It&#8217;s oh so much easier to point a finger and say &#8220;That did it&#8221; instead of trying to understand what&#8217;s really going on. Ignore him, battle him; I don&#8217;t think it makes much of a difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Vimes</title>
		<link>http://www.gameslol.com/2007/04/26/stop-feeding-the-troll/#comment-183</link>
		<dc:creator>Vimes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 11:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.gameslol.com/2007/04/26/stop-feeding-the-troll/#comment-183</guid>
		<description>I think I get your point : nearly everything Thompson says about games is false, so I understand we shouldn't give Thompson so much attention as turn him into a relevant party of the debate. But at the back of mind, I still doubt that the guy wouldn't grab the attention of the media if the gaming community were to ignore him... and in this case, he'd fill all the space and no one would be there to go against him. And that would be worse that the current situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I get your point : nearly everything Thompson says about games is false, so I understand we shouldn&#8217;t give Thompson so much attention as turn him into a relevant party of the debate. But at the back of mind, I still doubt that the guy wouldn&#8217;t grab the attention of the media if the gaming community were to ignore him&#8230; and in this case, he&#8217;d fill all the space and no one would be there to go against him. And that would be worse that the current situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Marek</title>
		<link>http://www.gameslol.com/2007/04/26/stop-feeding-the-troll/#comment-176</link>
		<dc:creator>Marek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.gameslol.com/2007/04/26/stop-feeding-the-troll/#comment-176</guid>
		<description>No one said anything about bashing. Is it okay for a network to not do its due diligence and invite someone like Thompson onto their shows? He's appeared unopposed on TV at least twice in the past weeks. When he shared airtime with Paul Levison, the moderator gave Thompson at least twice as much time as well as the last word. The networks have a responsibility.

So what good did Jason Della Rocca's stance do? What did it tell us about Thompson that we didn't already know? That he's interested in money doesn't come as a surprise. Sure, what Della Rocca did was better than taking his bait completely and arguing with him point-by-point -- I agree with you on that. But the entire exchange was also entirely unnecessary.

My main point is that Thompson appears to love  attention -- that's what I mean with his mental issues, not that he's dumb. The less we give it to him, especially in the places where he can do the least amounts of damage, the better it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one said anything about bashing. Is it okay for a network to not do its due diligence and invite someone like Thompson onto their shows? He&#8217;s appeared unopposed on TV at least twice in the past weeks. When he shared airtime with Paul Levison, the moderator gave Thompson at least twice as much time as well as the last word. The networks have a responsibility.</p>
<p>So what good did Jason Della Rocca&#8217;s stance do? What did it tell us about Thompson that we didn&#8217;t already know? That he&#8217;s interested in money doesn&#8217;t come as a surprise. Sure, what Della Rocca did was better than taking his bait completely and arguing with him point-by-point &#8212; I agree with you on that. But the entire exchange was also entirely unnecessary.</p>
<p>My main point is that Thompson appears to love  attention &#8212; that&#8217;s what I mean with his mental issues, not that he&#8217;s dumb. The less we give it to him, especially in the places where he can do the least amounts of damage, the better it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Vimes</title>
		<link>http://www.gameslol.com/2007/04/26/stop-feeding-the-troll/#comment-174</link>
		<dc:creator>Vimes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.gameslol.com/2007/04/26/stop-feeding-the-troll/#comment-174</guid>
		<description>I totally agree with Jake:  if we ignore Thompson or bash the networks for inviting him, that will only worsen the image of the game community in the general public eye. The only thing to do is what Jason Della Rocca did :  not answering to provocation and giving counter arguments to Thompson's claims. We can wait for Thompson to do the thing that will definitely burn him in the media : it's not like he's a very sophisticated person, he's more and more saying things that cast discredit over his views, so let's take advantage of this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with Jake:  if we ignore Thompson or bash the networks for inviting him, that will only worsen the image of the game community in the general public eye. The only thing to do is what Jason Della Rocca did :  not answering to provocation and giving counter arguments to Thompson&#8217;s claims. We can wait for Thompson to do the thing that will definitely burn him in the media : it&#8217;s not like he&#8217;s a very sophisticated person, he&#8217;s more and more saying things that cast discredit over his views, so let&#8217;s take advantage of this.</p>
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